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Echo, Forgive me if I'm misinterpreting your lengthy response, but it seems like you're saying that because women live under patriarchal oppression, all tools of the patriarchy are implicitly oppressive. Is that correct?

If so, I both agree and disagree with you. I do think it is possible to alter a tool to the point of having forged a weapon for dismantling, but perhaps that's a combination of my Marxist idealism and Shiva philosophy speaking: the key to the system's destruction can be provided by the system itself, as it was created to self-destruct.

I also think its important to not overlook one's agency, and the implicit paternalism in saying that the choices a woman makes for herself are disempowering (and the choices you favor are better) when she believes otherwise. This article doesn't have the voices of white males saying pole dancing is empowering; it has the voices of Indian women. And while the larger context should be considered alongside one's personal experience in discussions of oppression and freedom, why should the larger context take precedence? Should it not be considered in tandem with individual freedoms? If not, aren't you simply replacing one hierarchy with another? And what exactly does this non-male-centered sexuality look like? Can it not include something like pornography and pole dancing?

Actually, Koibrush, that question should have been "what do you think this brand of feminism means for INDIAN women" since that is what this article is about, and the responses should pertain to the particular subject matter at hand.

Koibrush: So what do you think this brand of feminism means for women?

I don't expect nor do I want readers to simply agree with me. I want to dialogue, and so I respond to the comments.

It should be clarified that what I have written here is what Indian women have told me about their own perspectives on whether erotic dancing is freeing or empowering, some of which I agree with and some of which I don't. Other things still I maintain an ambivalence about. What I do believe, however, is that it is important for non-Indians (particularly non-Indian feminists) to listen to Indian women when they speak about their own lives and forms of resistance and empowerment, as they are the experts in their own experience. And while a non-Indian cannot know what it is to be Indian, there is certainly room for empathy.

What do you mean by "empowering" exactly? Empowering to whom? And in what way? And for how long? And who gets to decide what is and isn't empowering? And if you decide that erotic dance isn't empowering and another woman believes it is, are you not denying her agency and ability to speak her own truth? Feminists use this term "empowering" a lot without actually specifying what they mean by it.

Also, what do you mean by "traditional"? It's important to remember that India is not the United States. Which is to say that India doesn't have the same social and historical context as the US, and therefore, actions that appear to people from the US (or the West more generally) to be an adoption of "western post feminist amalgamation of hetero-norms about sexuality, femininity and consumption" may not actually be this way when viewed through India's, not America's, lens. Viewing it as a Western co-optation denies that there may be something uniquely Indian about the actions and experience, and if one takes that perspective, then you can also argue that adopting feminism and freedom that resembles the West is eroding "true" Indian culture. (This is what is being argued here by Hindutva groups and Indian feminists are struggling against this ideological framing.)

That being said, many feminists in America disagree with your assertion that erotic dance is anti-feminist or replicating sexist norms. There is wide variation in the experiences of men and women who participate in the sex industry. An alternative to the standard dichotomy of end sex work vs. have exploitative sex work is to reform sex work, which many feminists are doing (see: Audacia Ray, Courtney Trouble, Feminist Porn Awards, etc.)

Furthermore, taking a class in erotic dance does not make a woman a sex worker (though this is just the accusation--overt sexuality = whore--that would no doubt be lobbed at them from the conservative family/friends from whom Indian women hide the real nature of their fitness activity), and none of the women in this article are sex workers either. So you're mixing a few of your points together in ways that need to be more clearly delineated.

Merryn- So do you see this as a kind of "false consciousness" on the part of Indian women?

Thanks Parwati. I think the systematic oppression of Indian women is truth. But I also know my experience with India is severely limited in that I have only lived in Kolkata. The contributors to this book, such as Veena Poonancha, are much more qualified to address that issue than I am.

I wonder if it is actually that Westernization and Western culture is being adopted or if it's being co-opted. More and more I think it's the latter because it's not a wholesale import by any means. I also wonder if the changing economic makeup of India as a whole (i.e., a growing middle class) isn't a primary cause of the advancement of women's rights. But I'm also basing that on a Western model, as feminism in the US grew as middle class women entered the workplace in larger numbers. This is all simply my own speculation, of course.

Marianne: Absolutely it would!

parwatisingari: You can buy the book online or perhaps in an Oxford Bookstore. Is there one in Goa?

Thank you for your lovely comment! What I meant to say is that Deepa's films in general, not just the Elements Trilogy, focus on Indian women's experiences in the diaspora. Have you read Behind Closed Doors: Domestic Violence in India?